Wednesday, October 8, 2008

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高考 mock exams for English and Chinese

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Re: 高考 mock exams for English and Chinese

Gao Kao is just a tool to control the number of students getting tertiary education in China,
simply because we don't have enough resource. I know it's very sad and we should let everyone who
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Tuesday, October 7, 2008

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Forum: Book of the Month 11th January 2006, 05:56 AM

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book of month

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Or if short stories are the go, you could try...

Or if short stories are the go, you could try 天下无贼, which is a collection of short stories
- the last one of which was what they based the recent film of the same name on.



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Monday, October 6, 2008

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Forum: Book of the Month 7th November 2007, 07:32 AM

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BOTM November 2007,《雷雨》

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Re: Suggestions for November 2007

Maybe change the title of this thread to include the name of the play since it's now been decided
what to read.



Forum: Book of the Month 6th November 2007, 09:05 AM

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BOTM November 2007,《雷雨》

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Re: Suggestions for November 2007

A bio of the author. Is 温家宝 named after him? :D



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Sunday, October 5, 2008

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Forum: Book of the Month 1st April 2008, 09:36 PM

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BOTM March 2008 《围城》by 钱钟书

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Re: BOTM March 2008 《围城》by 钱钟书

Chapter 3 and 4 are probably the best chapters in the book. You'd better skim through chapter 5 in
English. It's this and that about their journey across the country. Every little idiosyncrasy is...



Forum: Book of the Month 26th March 2008, 07:59 PM

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BOTM March 2008 《围城》by 钱钟书

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Re: BOTM March 2008 《围城》by 钱钟书

As mentioned in an earlier post above, this book is most like a comedy of manners (like Evelyn
Waugh or Moliere's Tartuffe), a commentary on certain people (overseas returnees, intellectual...



Forum: Book of the Month 26th March 2008, 07:29 PM

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BOTM March 2008 《围城》by 钱钟书

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Re: BOTM March 2008 《围城》by 钱钟书

Don't give up, Sam. I think you still have the potential of getting something out of this book. I
am on page 177 out of 335 and still plan on finishing it. I thought chapters 2-4 were quite good.
...



Forum: Book of the Month 21st March 2008, 08:58 PM

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BOTM March 2008 《围城》by 钱钟书

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Re: BOTM March 2008 《围城》by 钱钟书

Girl. Hair. Bed.



Forum: Book of the Month 21st March 2008, 06:18 PM

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BOTM March 2008 《围城》by 钱钟书

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Re: BOTM March 2008 《围城》by 钱钟书

It's from that girl he was eating with.



Forum: Book of the Month 19th March 2008, 10:46 PM

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BOTM March 2008 《围城》by 钱钟书

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Re: BOTM March 2008 《围城》by 钱钟书

You don't have PlecoDict (http://www.pleco.com/)? You poor guy! :wink:



Forum: Book of the Month 18th March 2008, 01:55 PM

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BOTM March 2008 《围城》by 钱钟书

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Re: BOTM March 2008 《围城》by 钱钟书

Any particular story in Dubliners, as Dubliners is a collection. I would think it might be closer
to Kingsley Amis's Lucky Jim, which I haven't read, but I heard that it's a great satire of
campus...



Forum: Book of the Month 18th March 2008, 12:44 PM

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BOTM March 2008 《围城》by 钱钟书

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Re: BOTM March 2008 《围城》by 钱钟书

There's some similarity with Pride & Prejudice, but whereas the central character in Pride &
Prejudice, Elizabeth Bennett, is probably a stand-in for Jane Austin, and thus made quite
sympathetic,...



Forum: Book of the Month 17th March 2008, 08:08 AM

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BOTM March 2008 《围城》by 钱钟书

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Re: BOTM March 2008 《围城》by 钱钟书

A couple of articles about the...



Forum: Book of the Month 11th March 2008, 12:09 PM

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BOTM March 2008 《围城》by 钱钟书

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Re: BOTM March 2008 《围城》by 钱钟书

Glad you are enjoying it. Spoke "white-collar"? Is that a dialect spoken by office workers?



Forum: Book of the Month 6th March 2008, 09:41 PM

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BOTM March 2008 《围城》by 钱钟书

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Re: BOTM March 2008 《围城》by 钱钟书

I thought the first chapter was a bit slow, so hang in there if you don't immediately like it. I
didn't find at first the characters all that likeable and they seem somewhat exaggerated. But then
I...



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Saturday, October 4, 2008

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Forum: Grammar and Vocabulary Yesterday, 09:06 PM

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Question about 的

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Re: Question about 的

Think of this as:

没有什么好 (可以告诉你的) 消息

The 可以告诉你 part is the attribute of the noun 消息, and this is shown through the
particle 的.

没有什么 大的 消息
没有什么 好的 消息
没有什么 有意思的 消息
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Friday, October 3, 2008

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Forum: Reading and Writing 11th October 2007, 08:34 AM

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Remembering Simplified Hanzi 1 and Remembering Traditional Hanzi 1

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Re: Remembering Simplified Hanzi 1 and Remembering Traditional Hanzi 1

Very constructive. Thank you.[/sarcasm]



Forum: Reading and Writing 3rd September 2007, 03:03 PM

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Re: Remembering Simplified Hanzi 1 and Remembering Traditional Hanzi 1

As gato just mentioned, this book isn't specifically targetted at beginners or otherwise, but
rather at anyone who would like to be more familiar with the characters and be freed from the
endless...



Forum: Reading and Writing 3rd September 2007, 10:47 AM

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Re: Remembering Simplified Hanzi 1 and Remembering Traditional Hanzi 1

@trien27
I'm having trouble understanding much of your post. What do you mean when you say RTK is "very
incorrect?" The mnemonic stories aren't supposed to be accurate etymologies.

@muscle


I...



Forum: Reading and Writing 31st August 2007, 05:22 PM

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Re: Remembering Simplified Hanzi 1 and Remembering Traditional Hanzi 1

Actually, I have a friend who arrived in Japan two years ago knowing no Japanese. Within a month,
he started this book. It took him about 14 months to finish it, but he was studying Japanese...



Forum: Reading and Writing 30th August 2007, 11:04 AM

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Re: Remembering Simplified Hanzi 1 and Remembering Traditional Hanzi 1

Another person recently made this analogy about Heisig's methods and I think it's rather eloquent
so I wanted to share it here:

--------------------------------
Here is my analogy: mastery of kanji...



Forum: Reading and Writing 30th August 2007, 09:01 AM

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Re: Remembering Simplified Hanzi 1 and Remembering Traditional Hanzi 1

I would think that this book is too much of an undertaking for an empirical study to be done on
it, but I can tell you from personal experience that it works, and that it's worth it.

Timothy...



Forum: Reading and Writing 29th August 2007, 09:52 PM

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Re: Remembering Simplified Hanzi 1 and Remembering Traditional Hanzi 1

What do you mean by "intensive study" here? 8 hours a day? That's the only way I can imagine
anyone reaching that level after a few months of study. Heck, at that rate, most people could
finish...



Forum: Reading and Writing 22nd August 2007, 04:20 PM

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Re: Remembering Simplified Hanzi 1 and Remembering Traditional Hanzi 1

Simon,
Could you provide an image from later in that book? I'm curious to see how it presents characters
towards the middle of the book.



Forum: Reading and Writing 22nd August 2007, 01:55 PM

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Re: Remembering Simplified Hanzi 1 and Remembering Traditional Hanzi 1

It's a common misconception that Heisig prescribes studying nothing other than the contents of the
book until it's done. This is incorrect. He advises against learning hanzi readings, or
deviating...



Forum: Reading and Writing 22nd August 2007, 12:15 PM

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Re: Remembering Simplified Hanzi 1 and Remembering Traditional Hanzi 1

The authors at no point say that there is no phonetic element to the characters. They said,
"In other words, there is nothing in the nature of a character dictating that it must be
verbalized one...



Forum: Reading and Writing 22nd August 2007, 01:12 AM

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Re: Remembering Simplified Hanzi 1 and Remembering Traditional Hanzi 1

Ahem.

Where is he passing of his mnemonics as genuine etymologies? All he claims to provide is an
effective means for learning characters, nothing more.



Forum: Reading and Writing 22nd August 2007, 12:21 AM

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Re: Remembering Simplified Hanzi 1 and Remembering Traditional Hanzi 1

There's nothing inaccurate about it.


I repeat:

There is nothing intrinsic about 白 that dictates that it is pronounced a certain way and a trip
around China will show that to be overwhelmingly...



Forum: Reading and Writing 22nd August 2007, 12:02 AM

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Re: Remembering Simplified Hanzi 1 and Remembering Traditional Hanzi 1

@sthubbar

Yes, if someone had to choose between options #1 and #2, #1 might very well be the better choice.
However the goal of Heisig's books are not to reach #2 and stop. It is simply an...



Forum: Reading and Writing 21st August 2007, 11:11 PM

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Re: Remembering Simplified Hanzi 1 and Remembering Traditional Hanzi 1

@adrianlondon

Dunno about the pricing, but as a reference, Remembering the Kanji, vol 1 (which would roughly
correspond to both Hanzi books, costs $32 on Amazon so I'd place the Chinese ones around...



Forum: Reading and Writing 21st August 2007, 08:50 PM

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Re: Remembering Simplified Hanzi 1 and Remembering Traditional Hanzi 1

Hurrah! The world of Chinese learning will never be the same again. I am a satisfied disciple of
the Heisig method and am here to tell you that yes, it does work and in my opinion it is the
only...



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Thursday, October 2, 2008

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Forum: Reading and Writing 19th May 2008, 08:40 PM

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Chinese Scanlations of Japanese Manga

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Re: Chinese Scanlations of Japanese Manga

You should try ordering online. All my attempts to find interesting comics in all the biggest
bookshops in Shanghai, Wuxi and Beijing were utterly unsuccessful, but I found much more online.
It is...



Forum: Reading and Writing 7th May 2008, 02:30 AM

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Chinese Scanlations of Japanese Manga

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Re: Chinese Scanlations of Japanese Manga

Have you tried "简体"?



Forum: Reading and Writing 4th April 2008, 04:38 PM

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Chinese Scanlations of Japanese Manga

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Re: Chinese Scanlations of Japanese Manga

I got them from taobao.com, it's an auction site like ebay. Much of the stuff can be bought
directly, without bidding. For the (very popular) comics I was looking for, there were thousands
of offers,...



Forum: Reading and Writing 3rd April 2008, 09:48 PM

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Chinese Scanlations of Japanese Manga

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Re: Chinese Scanlations of Japanese Manga

I saw "Death Note" being sold in a high-profile bookstore in Shanghai two weeks ago. Sounds like a
made-up non-story.

Back to the topic, getting Manga in China is very easy if you order them online....



Forum: Reading and Writing 2nd March 2008, 08:01 AM

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Chinese Scanlations of Japanese Manga

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Re: Chinese Scanlations of Japanese Manga

Yeah, it's very entertaining.



Forum: Reading and Writing 2nd March 2008, 04:13 AM

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Chinese Scanlations of Japanese Manga

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Re: Chinese Scanlations of Japanese Manga

I don't know how well this fits the topic, but here is a manga that's very easy to read and which
is available online for those of us looking for some easy...



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Wednesday, October 1, 2008

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Forum: Speaking and Listening 21st January 2008, 06:48 PM

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How many sounds in pinyin (for example, a ai an ang ao = 5)?

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Re: How many sounds in pinyin (for example, a ai an ang ao = 5)?

Oh I see, yep sorry I misunderstood.
Yes that's broadly it, except, chiefly: it's not "x" items per room, but "x" (actually 5)
locations per room: memorable locations in which the relevant "story"...



Forum: Speaking and Listening 20th January 2008, 06:48 PM

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Re: How many sounds in pinyin (for example, a ai an ang ao = 5)?

Hi leosmith,
Sadly it's not a full-on memory palace ... setting up something on that scale (ie 5,000) would I
think take a very long time. Instead I'm using a kind of half-way house: there are only...



Forum: Speaking and Listening 11th January 2008, 06:57 PM

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Re: How many sounds in pinyin (for example, a ai an ang ao = 5)?

It seems to be that some kind of underlying structure is necessary, a fixed skeleton to the
otherwise rather wibbly wobbly abstract stuff.



Forum: Speaking and Listening 11th January 2008, 05:13 PM

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Re: How many sounds in pinyin (for example, a ai an ang ao = 5)?

Imron:
"Unfortunately it also means that realmayo now needs to find 83-84 movies with 10 memorable
characters."
- nope. Just four more people. One for each tone.
Imron + dsrguru:
"good luck "
Thank...



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Re: How many sounds in pinyin (for example, a ai an ang ao = 5)?

haha. Yep Roddy: the "proper" explanation for that radical is not memorable. So we have to invent
our own. This system makes that easier (after half a day's work setting it up)!

But listen: I really...



Forum: Speaking and Listening 10th January 2008, 09:49 PM

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Re: How many sounds in pinyin (for example, a ai an ang ao = 5)?

Imron: They are arbitrary but memorable -- memorable because they are movie-characters I'm
familiar with and I've invented some wierd story which sticks in my head.



Forum: Speaking and Listening 10th January 2008, 09:43 PM

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Re: How many sounds in pinyin (for example, a ai an ang ao = 5)?

EDIT: Imron, I was replying to your previous post, though I guess this holds for this one too)

Imron: exactly (up to a point)! the radical, I believe, is claw or hand. there's more than one
"hand"...



Forum: Speaking and Listening 10th January 2008, 09:20 PM

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Re: How many sounds in pinyin (for example, a ai an ang ao = 5)?

Roddy you're just bitter cos I smoothly waltzed this "speaking and listening" thread into "reading
and writing" territory!! :D

But seriously: look up anything about how those guys remember the...



Forum: Speaking and Listening 10th January 2008, 08:09 PM

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Re: How many sounds in pinyin (for example, a ai an ang ao = 5)?

Me too! ... initially.... but the more I thought about it the more I liked it (and I should say
I'm not sure if each and every part of a complicated character will get the full treatment from me
-- I...



Forum: Speaking and Listening 10th January 2008, 07:11 PM

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Re: How many sounds in pinyin (for example, a ai an ang ao = 5)?

In case you're interested why: I'm finally getting around to using a system to memorise how to
write characters. In a nutshell, you have to assign every pinyin sound its own "person" and
"place". For...



Forum: Speaking and Listening 10th January 2008, 06:11 PM

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Re: How many sounds in pinyin (for example, a ai an ang ao = 5)?

Thank you very much for your replies.
It is in fact the total number of different chinese syllables as rendered in pinyin that I was
after, ie how many entries are there in a pinyin chart. And I...



Forum: Speaking and Listening 9th January 2008, 11:26 PM

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How many sounds in pinyin (for example, a ai an ang ao = 5)?

Hi, does anyone know how many sounds there are in pinyin?
I make it 401, going by a list at www.zhongwen.com.
Does anyone have any different numbers?

To clarify, I reckon on for example five sounds...



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